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Ron Patton | September 19, 2023

Nearly every discussion on the topic of UFOs still revolves around the question: do you believe? Few recognize the hyper simplification of what is effectively a fallacy-based question and a sophisticated form of potential perception control. For belief is nothing more than faith and therefore, a dogma. The UFO should no longer be a matter of belief and instead recognized for what it is – a modern mythology filled with divergent motivations and opinions. It is mystical, theological, psychological, and psychic all at the same time. Whatever the reality is for individual cases, the subject itself is without a doubt, a byproduct of collective mind games. Tonight on Ground Zero, Ryan Gable talks with investigative journalist and content creator, Ryder Lee about ALIEN EGREGORE.





I think that what has transpired in the previous 5 or so years relating to UFOs/UAPs is not so much disclosure of aliens as it is a continuation of business as usual. It is also the continuation of a growing mythology.

Rather than government and media cover-up, misdirection, disinformation, infiltration of UFO groups, etc., there is now an active campaign to sort of reverse course on all of this – while continuing to head in the same direction.

The alien ‘corpses’ in Mexico are a great example of this. When they were unveiled to the Mexican Congress earlier this month the immediate reaction was a matter of polarizing ‘belief’.

Do you think they are real or fake?

But what is real and what is fake?

The bodies are ‘real’ in the sense they exist, but are they alien – that’s the question. But what is alien? And do you believe they are?

The journalist who presented the ‘alien’ bodies in Mexico has been associated with other seemingly fabricated stories too. Believers reject this point and skeptics accept it without question too.

An article from put it this way about those Mexican aliens:

“The claims by the self-claimed ‘ufologist’ have not been proven and Mr. Maussan has previously been associated with claims of discoveries that have later been debunked.”

But what does it mean when we say, ‘associated with’ and what do we mean when we say ‘debunked’?

You’ve probably seen the memes of those bodies all over social media, and even ‘believers’ are getting in on the fun with their own questions, which is rare.

This is a shift that is occurring as ‘skeptics’ remain so but the asinine and childish proofs we are constantly fed are even starting to persuade ‘believers’ that something is wrong – it is discouraging faith in the potentiality of life beyond our own.

THIS isn’t about some sort of cynical relativism or drab philosophical mumbling. It’s about replacing our proclivity to play fast and loose with words without questioning what they mean or what we think they mean. The same goes for the questions and concepts we are dealing with when we talk about UFOs or aliens.

The issue at hand here is far more complex.

Also, NASA Administrator Bill Nelson said at a news briefing Thursday last week that the agency has set out to “shift the conversation surrounding UAP from sensationalism to science.”

But what is science other than observation? Denying the existence of something as a policy, which NASA has done, is not a matter of lacking evidence, but instead proof of scientism and dogma which NASA is also famous for, despite its occult history.

NASA does propose an interesting true, objective point, however, in their recent UAP Intendent Study Team Report: The negative perception surrounding the reporting of UAP poses an obstacle to collecting data on these phenomena.”

And Nelson is also right, much of the UAP/UFO issue is sensational garbage. I say it’s pushed for clicks, clout, and cash.

Yet, despite this, the same report without doubt acknowledges “the threat to U.S. airspace safety posed by UAP is self-evident.”

So, there is nothing there but that “nothing” poses a confirmed threat. UAPs are sensationalism but let’s investigate that hysteria with science.

I was just on a panel in Las Vegas to talk about transhumanism and AI. One of the things I brought up after hearing the other speakers talk was a new thought that just came to me when listening to some of the standard rhetoric:

What is our concern or fear about the machines, AI, robots, cyborgs, etc.?

Well, I think there are four main points:

One, this stuff is immensely transformative with dangerous potential for the future; part of that tension is that we have already seen these types of world-altering things change the world in our lifetime, and not always for the better.

Two, our fear is unjustified logically because the Industrial Revolution didn’t fully replace humans AND with our phones alone, we are essentially cyborgs already.

Three, the dystopian or science fiction versions of the future where we are connected to computers physically and controlled by robots is really a dramatization. Why? Because we are connected to those systems without wires everything we do online builds our digital profile and avatar. It’s also the current algorithm that controls our thoughts, movements, and interests already.

Four, metal machines, computing power, etc., are very cold and calculating. These are characteristics of the reptile. We share these traits with our own reptile brain but there’s a lot more to the story.

Since the Garden of Eden, humans have been tempted and stalked by this predator. It lurks in the dark, on the edge of light and dark. It strikes when we least expect it and rips us to pieces. It is aggressive, violent, and even bloodthirsty.

It is nature in its most extreme. But in its least extreme, it drives us to eat, drink, procreate, and create order in our world.

When we apply these ideas to UFOs and space travel the predator immediately presents itself in the unknown of flying objects and the dark, limitless, endless, potential in space. All these things imply danger, so we look and try to figure out what is happening. It’s like sitting in a classroom and the door opens – what happens? We all turn instinctually to look at the potential threat.

And it is a potential threat instinctually – just not logically.

It’s like when a woman wears high heels; it’s not to feel comfortable, it’s to accentuate her body. It is at its core sexual in nature, as is makeup, and everything else we do.

So, what does this have to do with reptiles?

The Reptilian is at the core of our fears over aliens. They’re going to eat us, drink our blood, torture us, etc.

AND YES, they are! But not those from some other planet. The ones that comprise your psychosocial state. The RED DRAGON and BEAST of Revelation are a great example of this: the dragon is your EGO guarding the treasure of internal transformative power (philosopher’s stone) and the beast is your ANIMAL SELF which must be sacrificed for enlightenment.

In this way the reptilian is simply the archetypical demon – and this means we need an archetypical angel too. Here we get the Pleiadeans, with their advanced wisdom and technology.

In fact, there is a deep theological dogma to ufology. It has its own history and meaning that is endlessly debated, including whether aliens are good or evil; it has its own holy books, saints, and even heavenly ascension versus the hell of staying on earth.

It is a mythology. Swiss psychologist and psychiatrist Carl Jung suggested the same, that Flying Saucers were a “modern myth” – although he didn’t know what exactly to make of them because they are certainly real in some sense of the word.

That brings us to another consideration which agrees with Jung BUT far predates his assessment.

Little Green Men or Greys – they share characteristics with elves, or the little people seen when taking DMT, Ayahuasca, or other similar substances. They are also seen, like the Old Hag on your chest, during sleep paralysis. Or in dreams.

Although these small beings, or little people, are described as having ashy, grey, pale, smooth skin, they are sometimes called little green men in popular culture. How appropriate is it then that within folklore and legend the fairy, a very tiny person of the same height and body stature as a grey, is most often seen wearing green?

UFO abductees and shamans share parallels too, and it is the shaman that many scholars now believe birthed modern spiritual systems of belief.

Both shamans and UFO abductees experience the same:

– they are taken more than once, maybe from childhood onward

– levitated out of home and into the sky

– see therianthropic beings – half-human/animal

– subject to medical experiments

– have implants in their body

– have mates and children in the other world (same with fairies)

– visions of geometry and light, like fairy circles and ufo lights

– therianthropes or other beings have powers like the fairy shot or supposed alien weapons

Jacques Vallee also confirms his book Passport to Magoniathat the UFO phenomenon is “identical to the earlier belief in the fairy faith.” 

 He adds” “The entities described as the pilots of the craft are indistinguishable from the elves, slyphs and lutins of the Middle Ages.”

Dr. Rick Strassman explained the interaction of our world with other less visible worlds in his book DMT The Spirit Molecule:

“These worlds are usually invisible to us and our instruments, and are not accessible using our normal state of consciousness. However, just as likely as the theory that these worlds exist ‘only in our minds’ is that they are, in reality, ‘outside us’ and freestanding. If we simply change our brains receiving abilities, we can comprehend and interact with them.”

Strassman proposes that a small percentage of those ‘abducted’ by alien experience a slight natural overproduction of DMT in the body. Some studies suggest the proportion of people who overproduce DMT is in alignment with the percentage of the population interacting with UFOs. Graham Hancock discussed this in his book, Supernatural.

Jung thus suggested that the UFO phenomenon itself is akin to a psychic projection – almost entirely.

Anthropologist Jeremy Narby also believes there is a message, or messages, encoded in our DNA that can be read and interacted with through substances such as ayahuasca. All of this is compounded by the fact that under numerous methods used to reach these altered states of consciousness – serpents, a double helix, and geometry play a key role. In other words, DNA and RNA.

Narby adds that “DNA is a master of transformation, just like mythical serpents.”

Think of the god Phanes or Lord Priapos surrounded by a serpent inside of an egg. This image is the potential of creation, but scientifically DNA inside our cell. The serpent on the staff or body is Mercury, the messenger, as in mRNA.

In other words, the UFO Phenomenon is not only a modern myth, but a modern religion, and a modern cult in both the positive and negative sense. It is also not that ‘modern’ per se, as it stretches back over a century at least.

This should shed a lot of new light on the questions about UFOs. But there is still much more to the story still.

Known as the Robertson Panel Report or the Durant Report, this 1953 CIA panel addressed the issue of acknowledging UFOs by citing concerns over the misidentification of “actual enemy artifacts,” the “overloading of emergency reporting channels with ‘false’ information,” and the “subjectivity of the public to mass hysteria and greater vulnerability to possible enemy psychological warfare.”

Remember, this was post-WWII and right at the start of the Cold War.

Perhaps the most interesting component of the report is their manner of debunking the UFO/UAP:

“The ‘debunking’ aim would result in reduction in public interest in ‘flying saucers’… This education could be accomplished by mass media such [as[ television, motion pictures, and popular articles. Basis of such education would be actual case histories which had been puzzling at first but later explained.”

Part of the debunking process included educational programs for the public:

“It was felt that psychologists familiar with mass psychology should advise on the nature and extent of the program.”

“Also, someone familiar with mass communication techniques, perhaps an advertising expert, would be helpful.”

“The Jam Handy Co. which made World War II training films (motion picture and slide strips) was also suggested, as well as as Walt Disney, Inc. animated cartoons.”

Another suggestion was that “amateur astronomers in the U.S. might be a potential source of enthusiastic talent “to spread the gospel”.”

“It was believed that business clubs, high schools, colleges and television stations would all be pleased to cooperate in the showing of documentary-type motion pictures if prepared in an interesting manner.”

As for civilian UFO groups “It was believed that such organizations should be watched because of their potentially great influence on mass thinking if widespread sightings should occur. The apparent irresponsibility and the possible use of such groups for subversive purposes should be kept in mind.”

And that brings us to the MIRAGE MEN.

The film, Mirage Men, is a compelling look into the continuation of the 1953 Robertson Panel Report, which determined that covert counterintelligence was necessary to disinform and misinform the public on the subject of UFOs.

The movie focuses on Paul Bennewitz, an American businessman who became interested in investigating unidentified flying objects. Paul had witnessed several illuminated objects near Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and decided to dig up some information on what he was witnessing.

As an electronics expert, Paul began picking up strange signals from the base in 1979. Convinced they were possibly extraterrestrial in origin he contacted the Air Force.

Rather than dismissing the claims or silencing his work, Kirkland and the U.S. Air Force took a different approach by intentionally encouraging Paul’s research and insinuating that he really was picking up extraterrestrial communications.

The Air Force obviously did not want their secret tests and private communications made public, which is likely why they promoted the UFO narrative. The Air Force and NSA were concerned that if Paul could pick up base communications, then perhaps anyone could.

The National Security Agency set up surveillance across from Paul’s house in Albuquerque, reportedly replacing his computer so that they had full control of the information he was tapping into with his equipment. The new computer translated data into a jumbled mess of details translated as what we now see as the foundation for modern UFO mythology: the aliens came from a world with no water, are on Earth to obtain resources, and wanted to make a special deal with one individual – Paul.

One of the propagandists employed against Paul was a man named Richard Doty, who nudged and assisted his research.

Paul also went to Dulce, New Mexico, searching for more evidence to support his research in an area known to have sightings of UFOs, particularly by the Native people. Out of Dulce and Doty’s disinformation came more UFO mythology, including crashed alien craft and an underground alien base. These stories persist until the time of this writing.

Some theorize that Dulce’s 1967 underground atomic bomb detonation called Project Gasbuggy, which was meant to release natural gas was the basis of the strange cattle mutilations that also began occurring in that area years later as if the government was perhaps testing local animals for radiation.

Richard Doty was also heavily involved with William Moore, author of The Roswell Incident with Charles Berlitz. Doty manipulated Moore and in exchange for ‘information’ from the government on UFOs, Moore revealed the inner discussions occurring within ufological groups – see Robertson Panel. This feedback loop gave the military and intelligence agencies a direct link to where private citizens were focusing their attention.

Doty also showed investigative journalist Linda Moulton Howe forged documents that would serve as the basis for the Majestic-12 papers, the authenticity of which is still debated today.

The Mirage Men, government disinformation and propaganda, and the like, have all been proposed as a series of crafty excuses to cover for the testing new technologies. But what if it were far more otherworldly than that?

Now declassified, a document (Memorandum 6751) dated to Roswell, July 8, 1947, reported on “disks” that “carry crews.” It states the following about data on the craft:

“The principal data concerning these craft is now at hand and must be offered, no matter how fantastic and unintelligible it may seem to minds not previously instructed in thinking of this type.”

 Maybe the document is a fake – in actuality it probably is, but why fabricate such an outlandish story and it get virtually no attention whatsoever by most UFO community members?

Eight key points discussed in the paper include the etheric nature of the craft:


  1. Part of the disks carry crews, others are under remote control.


  1. Their mission is peaceful. The visitors contemplate settling on this plane.


  1. These visitors are human-like but much larger in size.


  1. They are NOT excarnate earth people, but come from their own world.


  1. They do NOT come from any “planet” as we use the word, but from an etheric planet which interpenetrates with our own and is not perceptible to us. 


  1. The bodies of the visitors, and the craft also, automatically “materialize on entering the vibratory rate of our dense matter.”


  1. The disks possess a type of radiant energy, or a ray, which will easily disintegrate any attacking ship. They reenter the etheric at will, and so simply disappear from our vision, without trace.


  1. The region from which they come is NOT the “astral plane”, but corresponds to the Lokas or Talas. Students of esoteric matters will understand these terms.

 Computer scientist Jacques Vallee wrote that through the observation of what we term UFO or UAP, “we are concerned with an agency our ancestors knew well and regarded with terror.” This is what Vallee referred to as a Secret Commonwealth. Unlike our ancient ancestors, we have much mechanical technology today which we project onto this agency.

As time flows and technology increases in complexity and commonality, we have seen the subject of UFO/UAP transform into a recognizable and official force, particularly during World War II.

Foo Fighters and Ghost Rockets are just what they sound like, i.e., balls of luminous substance and etheric cigar-shaped illusions.

On February 25, 1942, between 2 and 4 am, an object was seen and reported on by both the military and public over southern California, specifically over Los Angeles. Having been just weeks after the devastating attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, an air raid siren woke the public with what must have been fear of an enemy invasion.

Just hours before, on the 23rd, a Japanese submarine also surfaced near Santa Barbara and launched dozens of artillery shells at an oil refinery and field. There were no casualties and only minor damage. What hovered and moved over southern California just hours later was anything but a plane.

In fact, no planes were heard, though witnesses claim to have seen some. Instead, searchlights slowly followed an odd oval-shaped object down the coast as anti-aircraft fire exploded near the target and rained back down on the city damaging property.

Three-inch artillery shells landed in homes all over. It seemed that nothing was able to damage the UFO and firing eventually ceased. After disappearing for a short time, the same object, or another, returned and the military opened fire a second time. Around 1,400 rounds were fired in total with no resulting obvious damage to the UFO.

The Japanese never took any responsibility for the ‘incursion’ over Los Angeles, better known as Battle of Los Angeles or Los Angeles Air Raid, but they did for the oil field attack.

What is utterly intriguing about this incident is that the object – oval-shaped and likely reflective – was struck either directly, or so close, with shelling that it had to have suffered enough damage to fall out of the sky, but instead it moved on its own until it disappeared. This occurred years before the 1944 sightings of Foo Fighters and the 1946 sightings of Ghost Rockets, and in the United States instead of Europe.

A similar event was documented in 1943 Europe. The objects were basically ethereal and indestructible. In May 1943, USAAF 348th Group bombers reported a cluster of discs during a raid on Schweinfurt, Germany. According to an intelligence report on the mission:

“Discs were described as silver colored – one inch thick and three inches in diameter. They were gliding slowly down in a very uniform cluster. A/C 026 was unable to avoid them and his right wing went directly through a cluster with absolutely no effect on engines or plane surface. One of the discs was heard striking tail assembly but no explosion was observed…”

 Two other A/C aircraft also flew through “silver discs with no apparent damage.” This would make the discs akin to initial interpretations of ghost rockets in the sense that they were possibly mere apparitions and not actually physical phenomena – except there was reported physical contact with no damage.

A year later, in 1944, a UFO reportedly came down at Kaneohe Naval Air Station on Oahu Island, Hawaii. It was reported by a construction engineer with Headquarters Company 112, US Navy Sea Bees. The report described the object as silver, pock-marked, and with “a transparent dome containing a gold-colored device which spun at various speeds.”

Another year later, in 1945, two young boys at the Padilla Ranch near San Antonio, New Mexico, reported a brilliant light followed by a crunching sound. Upon investigation, as detailed by Timothy Good, they found “a long gouge in the earth, at the end of which lay a dull grey avocado-shaped craft, with a protuberance towards one end, which could be seen through the smoke from its burning wreckage.” Pieces of “shiny tin-foil-like metal” were reported scattered near the crash site.

All three of these reports from 1943, 1944, and 1945 respectively, pre-date the modern mythological narrative of Ufology beginning at Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947.

As the history of these things proceed, we end up with crashes, abductions, and finally a century plagued with everyday claims of secret space programs, secret underground alien labs, daily alien contact and UFO channeling, etc. It is almost as if the entire phenomenon is based in the mind.

In fact, Carl Jung described some of the original sightings as a rumor that “differs from an ordinary rumor in that it is expressed in the form of visions.”

 In Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies Jung suggests that UFOs are a “99 per cent psychic product”, though admitting many seem to have a physical nature:

“The only thing we can say with tolerable certainty about UFOs is that they possess a surface which can be seen by the eye and at the same time throws back a radar echo.”

 He describes the origin stories, the various motifs of UFO stories, and also the idea of extraterrestrial invasion. Furthermore, as we said about the Altered States of Consciousness, Jung writes about UFOs and Aliens seen in dreams.

Today, such an idea suggests that what we may be dealing with, in large part, are psychic manifestations of a collective desire to believe – in something – or an interaction with something beyond base-physical reality.

For some, that belief is akin to the ‘vicarious atonement’ style faith they have in an external savior god. The desire to believe in a higher power, coupled with the unprecedented death and terror of world wars, mixed with a sprinkle of decades of fear over nuclear annihilation, and garnished with decades of Hollywood and government propaganda gives us the MODERN UFO MYTHOS.

It is a MIND GAME – a UFO or ALIEN EGREGORE – a though form manifest from the collective thoughts of a group of people, which also influences the thoughts and actions of that same people.

Perhaps this is why so many witnesses and even official investigators report different characteristics and interactions when viewing the same phenomena.

And as with faith, the power of the mind, or many minds, can by intention change reality ever so slightly. Our reality is already based on a limited number of data points out of millions processed by the body and senses every second.

In physics the observer effect is described as a bias that occurs when we notice what we expect or behave in ways that influence others. Therefore, the observer changes the experiment and the experimenter.

The 1% allowed by Jung is a real phenomenon that possibly is responsible for the otherwise “99 percent psychic” explanation for UFOs.

Let us explore a few more considerations on this point: Poltergeists are often thought to relate to times of changing adolescence, and particularly to females, in the sense that changing emotions and hormones cause outbursts of psychic energy. Anger, sexual desire, etc., are powerful energies to contend with and are documented to interfere with electronics.

The same can be said about the UFO’s apparent interest in war and nuclear weapons. War is a time of intense stress and so perhaps that stress works to manifest these things, even out of simple misidentified aircraft, just as atomic weapons tamper with the very subatomic nature of reality and therefore may encourage inter-dimensional incursions.

A Roper Organization survey published in 1992 as Unusual Personal Experiences, suggested that about 2% of the U.S. population has experienced something akin to a shamanic or UFO abduction event. But even if we were to ignore this survey and accept all of the criticism aimed at it, we still must acknowledge that it is highly common for children to report seeing things that adults are unable to see.

Most grow out of these perceptual states though many adults retain this ability and are usually, as a result, labeled schizophrenic, manic, or psychotic.

Far from being pure clinical delusion, however, a 1979 study published in JAMA, ‘Increased Excretion of Dimethyltryptamine and Certain Features of Psychosis’, found that the more DMT detected in the body the more likely a person was to experience episodes of the former conditions. The study found:

 “Dimethyltryptamine excretion was greatest in schizophrenia, mania, and ‘other psychosis’ and tended to decline as clinical state improved. Psychotic depressives excreted smaller amounts of DMT more akin to those excreted by neurotic and normal subjects… Syndromes suggesting elation, perceptual abnormalities, and difficulty in thinking and communicating were most correlated with raised urinary DMT excretion.”

 Perhaps the minds of a small percentage of people, coupled with decades of propaganda, Hollywood movie magic, etc., have brought the other world, or secret commonwealth, to more widespread public attention. The more focus the quicker the phenomenon grows.

 The idea that UFOs may sometimes be identified with animals or insects was also proposed decades ago.

Frank B. Salisbury, a plant physiologist and director of the Plant Science Department at the State University of Utah, published The Utah UFO display: A biologist’s report, in 1974. Four years later in November of 1978, researchers from the USDA published a report called ‘Insects as Unidentified Flying Objects’.

In that report, Philip S. Callahan and R. W. Mankin, a laboratory technologist from the University of Florida, conducted an experiment on five species of insects with a large electric field. The experiment found, “each of the insects stimulated in this manner emitted visible glows of various colors and blacklight.”

 They then postulated that the 1965-1968 UFO display in Utah was a result of nocturnal insects that had infested the area. The idea was also discussed in The X Files, season 3, episode 12.

What this tells us is that the classic story of a glowing, hovering, humming “craft” over a house or car is nothing more than the brush discharge of an insect swarm in an electrical field which emits a hum alongside of the insect buzzing; as they hover over the lit sources of their attraction the electric fields may disturb radio and television signals and electricity in general.

This electric field can likewise cause humans to feel woozy, achy, or even pass out. It has long been known that electricity usage, like the sun before, caused influenza – the ‘influence of the stars’. When UFOs drop off the radar or disappear, they may simply have flown under the radar, disbursed, or flown out of an electric field.

The abstract of the USDA report reads as follows, with an image of the report below:

“Five species of insects were subjected to a large electric field. Each of the insects stimulated in this manner emitted visibly glows of various colors and blacklight (uv). It is postulated that the Uintah Basin, Utah, nocturnal UFO display (1965-1968) was partially due to mass swarms of spruce budworms, Choristoneura fumiferana (Clemens), stimulated to emit this type of St. Elmo’s fire by flying into high electric fields caused by thunderheads and high-density particulate matter in the air. There was an excellent time and spatial correlation between the 1965-1968 UFO nocturnal sightings and spruce budworm infestation. It is suggested that a correlation of nocturnal UFO sightings throughout the U.S. and Canada with spruce budworm infestations might give some insight into nocturnal insect flight patterns.”


Raised By Giants presented and produced by Ryder Lee, provides a platform from which philosophers, researchers, spiritual teachers, authors, contactees, experiencers, channelers, and UFO researchers can come together and communicate their studies, observations, thoughts, Ideas, reflections, and research. Infusing them into common everyday knowledge with their understanding of life and the universe. Ryder Lee will be diving deep into these topics, interviewing and hosting this ever-growing number of people, searching for a deeper understanding and truth. His YouTube channel is

Written by Ron Patton


This post currently has 9 comments.

  1. John Weiner

    September 19, 2023 at 5:02 pm

    According to an article I read online several years ago, there are at least two trillion galaxies in this, the known universe; each galaxy with plenty of plenty of planets in them; certainly there must be life on a fair number of those planets with plenty of life on them; and of those; a fair number with advanced life on them; further, perhaps much further advanced than we are here on earth, to the point that they have traveled here, perhaps quite frequently,/ regularly; ergo, they would be, perhaps,/probably are responsible for all of the UFO sightings.

  2. SARGE

    September 19, 2023 at 5:46 pm


    • John Weiner

      September 19, 2023 at 6:08 pm

      Perhaps, if not likely, but that wasn’t my point. My point was to explain a possible, if not likely source for all, or, at least most of these UFO sightings.

  3. Troy Landauer

    September 19, 2023 at 7:40 pm

    I refuse to accept that we are all alone in this vas universe. No matter what other beings from other worlds would want here on our planet, I believe other intelligent beings do exist.

  4. John Weiner

    September 19, 2023 at 9:10 pm

    Isn’t it a bit narcissistic to believe, or want to believe that we are the only, and or, at least the highest life form in the whole universe of two trillion galaxies; and perhaps a bit depressing, too, if it were true, that there is nothing,/ no better, higher, smarter species out there in this universe of at least two trillion galaxies; much less violent, much more peaceful, much less corrupt, more highly wholesome and moral, and much more highly intelligent than we are?

  5. John Weiner

    September 19, 2023 at 9:57 pm

    That woman you mentioned a little while ago, was she the one who claimed to be channeling ,” Ramtha?”
    The reverse engineering of ufos has been widely well reported over the years, especially on ufo documentaries.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if this one claims to believe in God. A rather high number of people who claim to belive in God, also deny the possibility of space aliens, and claim that we are alone in the universe, ” because the Bible says so. One such individual was Walter Williams, whom I saw claim this on one of those Sunday morning news talk shows, back in the early 1990s, over 30 years ago.
    Believe it or not, I wrote this before Charles call. On the other hand, if Jesus were,/is real, it is possible, if not likely he would be an e.t., who else could walk on water, or heal with the touch of a hand?

  6. David Katski

    September 20, 2023 at 7:01 am

    I don’t know if this is relevant or not, but after recently watching the movie “Oppenheimer”. I realized that there appeared to be a connection between the testing and use of atomic weapons and how UFO/UAP sightings seemed to explode into the public consciousness afterwards and progressed over the decades from sightings, to landings, to abductions, and now to transhuman emergence. While there is plenty of accounts of UFOs from all cultures and civilizations, dating back to pre-history. They seemed only to impact those specific societies. It is not until the nuclear age that we see UFOs become a part of the global consciousness.

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