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Ron Patton | June 6, 2023

Last week, NASA discussed reports about UFOs and how the various space agencies worldwide are intensely analyzing technological signatures in space. They concluded there needs to be a focused and serious investigation into what is being seen in our skies and whether or not we are being visited by extraterrestrial intelligence. Furthermore, a whistleblower formerly with the UAP Task Force just announced the US government had retrieved vehicles of extraterrestrial origins. Are we on the verge of the most extraordinary discovery in the history of mankind? Tonight on Ground Zero, Clyde Lewis talks with Joe Murgia and Richard C. Hoagland about UFO INTEL – EMBRACE THE SCIENCE BREAKING THE SILENCE.







After a two-year hiatus one of the largest UFO gathering in the world, “Contact in the Desert ended its four-day run in Palm Springs, California. I was there along with Ron Patton, Ryan Gable, and Kristan T. Harris. I was tremendously fortunate to be the chief correspondent for interviewing Harvard Professor Avi Loeb, and the foremost authority on Artificial Intelligence, Mathew James Bailey.

Comforted and paradoxically terrorized by our A.I. creations, yet immobilized by our Alien and extra-terrestrial myths, we seem to lack the imagination to conceive a different approach.

So we applaud what seems so “sensible” or “comfortable.”

We are told to embrace science which is really the science that is approved of but how far will you embrace science when it steps into the territory of extraterrestrials and UFOs?

This scientific/technological nightmare is a world where everything has become a means and the ends no longer exist. We are traveling at breakneck speed to nowhere, but as long as we keep moving in our “usefulness,” no one seems to notice that we are traveling in circles and getting nowhere.

So it has seemed when doing UFO research and having our hopes dashed by government agencies that say “Nothing to see here.”

But we are now observing that all of the naysaying has changed.

There was a huge difference between this gathering and those of the past — this one had credible and unimpeachable scientists there outlining the future and preparing the world for the reality of Tech signatures or even biological signatures being found in space.

There was also a great deal of discussion about the recent NASA meeting of the minds discussion UFOs and UAP — and how the various space agencies throughout the world are on the verge of significant discoveries and that there needs to be a focused and serious investigation into what is being seen in our skies and whether or not we are being visited by extraterrestrial intelligence.

NASA claims to have examined around 800 mysterious reports of unidentified flying objects collected over decades – but only a small fraction are truly unexplained, the assembled panel reported.

The panel held its first public meeting just days before the Contact in the Desert meeting on June 1st.

Sean Kirkpatrick, director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), which is part of the US Defense Department was present at the NASA meeting and stated:

“We have 50 to 100-ish new reports each month,” he then went on to say that he number of those sightings which are “possibly really anomalous” are 2% to 5% of the total database.

At one point during the hearing, a video taken by a naval aircraft over the western US showed a series of dots moving across the night sky.

A Pentagon report in 2021 said that of 144 sightings by military pilots made since 2004, all but one remained unexplained. Officials did not rule out the possibility that the objects are extraterrestrial.

Kirkpatrick also noted that privacy concerns limit the agency’s investigations.

“We can point the largest collection apparatus in the entire globe at any point we want,” he said.

“A lot of what we have is around the continental United States,” he added. “Most people…don’t like it when we point our entire collection apparatus at your backyard.”

One of the reasons last Wednesday’s meeting is so noteworthy is Nasa’s change of approach. The space agency spent decades debunking UFO sightings.

At the end of the hearing, the panel took questions from the public. One was “What is NASA hiding?”

Nasa’s Dan Evans replied that the agency is committed to transparency and that the meeting was evidence of that — but even with all of the talk and confusing positions we still are met with Never a straight Answer– where NASA certainly lives up to that acronym.

Encounters with UFOs – which the government calls Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs) – continue “to occur in restricted or sensitive airspace, highlighting possible concerns for safety” and national security.

Again these UFOs/UAPs are still being called a threat to national security.

In an official statement — it was said that — “In the absence of being able to resolve what something is, we assume that it may be hostile, And so, we have to take that seriously.”

Again hinting at possible extraterrestrial activity and downplaying the idea at the same time.

Old habits as we see are hard to break.

The modern belief that extraterrestrials visit Earth has been growing since the late 1940s. More precisely, the modern UFO era started on June 24, 1947, when American businessman Kenneth Arnold, while flying his private plane near Mount Rainier, Washington, reported seeing nine brilliantly lit disc-shaped objects travelling at tremendous speed. It was his description of the objects as flying “like a saucer would if you skipped it across the water” which gave rise to the term “Flying Saucer”. The Roswell incident took place on July 8th,1947. It was reported that a flying disc had crashed near Roswell, New Mexico, and that the Army Air Force was recovering debris and collecting the bodies of young, unknown pilots.

The story over time has evolved into an alien craft, and creature recovery over time.

This forced President Truman to separate the Army and the Air Force and create the security apparatus of the CIA, NSA and others to keep a tight lid on intelligence pertaining to UFO activities. activities.

This led to an extensive twenty-two-year-long official U.S. Air Force investigation of UFO reports that followed in the next weeks, months and years by hundreds of other reports, mostly in the U.S. but also in other countries. This was known as project Blue book.

Blue Book ended in 1969 following the publication of the Condon committee’s final report. This document, formally titled “Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects”, stated the following in his introductory chapter “Conclusions & Recommendations”: “our general conclusion is that nothing has come from the study of UFOs in the past 21 years that has added to scientific knowledge. Careful consideration of the record as it is available to us leads us to conclude that further extensive study of UFOs probably cannot be justified in the expectation that science will be advanced thereby.”

Despite this negative conclusion, the topic of UFOs refused to disappear. Over more than 75 years, many thousands of people from all walks of life, including numerous credible civilian, governmental and military witnesses, have reported UFO sightings practically all over the world.

On the last day of the Contact n the Desert event, both Ron and I were getting into a car that was going to take us to the airport. Jason Quitt was there to say goodbye — he then said — “Did you hear the news?” We looked at him and said “what news?” he said that when we get home to watch the mainstream news because a very important story was about to break concerning the retrieval and reverse engineering of crashed extraterrestrial material.

It was very surreal to hear this — as there have been many individuals in the past that have made these claims like Bob Lazar who claimed that he worked on extraterrestrial craft at the S-4 facility at Area 51.

During the Laura Ingram program on Fox News yesterday, the story broke.

David Charles Grusch, a 36-year-old decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, served the National Reconnaissance Office, acting as their representative to Congress’ Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from 2019-2021. At the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, he also served from late 2021 to July 2022 as co-lead of unidentified aerial phenomena analysis and its representative to the task force, which was recently renamed the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office.

According to the publication, Debrief, Grusch said he filed a whistleblower complaint to Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) on classified information that he insists proves the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the U.S. government, its allies and defense contractors.

The recoveries have been determined through analysis to be “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,” Grusch said.

Grusch also sat down for an interview with News Nation, claiming that many senior and former intelligence officers, many of whom he knew nearly his whole career, began confiding in him and provided documents and other “proof” that they were part of a secret craft retrieval program that the UAP Task Force “was not read into.”

“These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles, call it spacecraft if you will, non-human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed,” Grusch said.

“Well, naturally, when you recover something that’s either landed or crashed. Sometimes you encounter dead pilots and believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds, it’s true.”

“We’re definitely not alone,” he said. “The data points, quite empirically that we’re not alone.”

Grusch told The Debrief that unidentified flying object “legacy programs” have long been concealed within “multiple agencies nesting UAP activities in conventional secret access programs without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities.”

He said he sounded the alarm to Congress on the existence of a decades-long “publicly unknown Cold War for recovered and exploited physical material – a competition with near-peer adversaries over the years to identify UAP crashes/landings and retrieve the material for exploitation/reverse engineering to garner asymmetric national defense advantages.”

“There is a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the U.S. populace which is extremely unethical and immoral,” Grusch told News Nation, recognizing a “great personal risk and obvious professional risk” in speaking out publicly on the topic.

Grusch said he began providing hours of recorded classified information transcribed into hundreds of pages which included specific data about the materials-recovery program to Congress starting in 2022.

“Individuals on these UAP programs approached me in my official capacity and disclosed their concerns regarding a multitude of wrongdoings, such as illegal contracting against the Federal Acquisition Regulations and other criminality and the suppression of information across a qualified industrial base and academia,” Grusch told The Debrief.

Though specific data, such as the locations of recoveries and program names remain classified, and no physical materials have been provided to Congress, several current members of the recovery program have since spoken to the Inspector General’s office, corroborating information in Grusch’s complaint.

Per protocol, Grusch notified the Department of Defense of the information he intended to disclose to The Debrief, and the Pentagon cleared those intended on-the-record-statements for open publication in April – just days before Grusch left the government.

Regardless of the final explanations regarding the nature of the UFO phenomenon, its influence on the pursuit of space exploration and on the greater search for extraterrestrial life is not negligible. For various reasons, it obviously remains important for us to keep track and continue studying all reports of anomalous events.

First, the presence on Earth of devices of exogenous origin could resemble anomalies in our atmosphere. Second, the continuous analysis of anomalous events may provide us with new insights into the nature of physics.

Finally, any analysis of unexplained atmospheric events or unusual aerial perception could lead to a deeper understanding of our planet and safer air travel. In addition and above all, the UFO controversy provides us with invaluable information on our society and its way of thinking, encouraging us to keep an attitude of humility and scientific open-mindedness, ever cautious of our anthropocentric presumptions.

Undoubtedly, direct, convincing and unequivocal evidence of the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence would be the most extraordinary discovery in the history of mankind.


Joe Murgia is a freelance camera operator in Las Vegas.

After reading “Communion,” by Whitley Strieber in 1996, it sent him down a paranormal rabbit hole in which he now resides. Murgia runs a blog – – where he focuses on the latest information about UFOs, including AAWSAP, which was the DIA’s effort, from 2008 to 2010, to study UFOs AND related phenomena and most importantly, health-related effects.

He’s a prolific user of Twitter and after studying UFOs for over 26 years, he still doesn’t know what it all means. But he’s getting closer. Maybe.


Richard C. Hoagland is the Principal Investigator and Founder of The Enterprise Mission as well as the Vision and the Voice of The Other Side of Midnight. He is the recipient of the Angstrom Medal, the former science advisor to CBS News and Walter Cronkite, and the author of best-selling books, “The Monuments of Mars” and the “Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA.”  

Together with Carl Sagan, Mr. Hoagland co-created, the “Pioneer Plaque;”  and predicted life on Europa in his groundbreaking paper, the “Europa Proposal” published 37 years before NASA’s announcement.

Richard’s show, The Other Side Of Midnight, airs Live Saturday & Sunday – Midnight to 3am, Eastern, 9pm to Midnight, Pacific time.

Written by Ron Patton


This post currently has 9 comments.

  1. Karen Ann Foster

    June 6, 2023 at 2:49 pm

    Excited to know Richard C. Hoagland is on! I’m sure it will be a great show, as usual.

  2. Pat

    June 6, 2023 at 4:05 pm

    Wonder if there’s been any collateral damage due to UFOs lately? I can’t keep a secret sooner or later’s can come out. Keep looking up in the skies at night.

    • joe

      June 7, 2023 at 10:02 am

      yes the UFO blew up the dam flooded towns ,killed farm animals ,destroy 100s of farms all in russia territories ,, but russia blew up their own Dam say MEDIAS same assholes who said weapons of mass destruction , Noed stream pipelines, Syria Dams , agent orange , UFO DID IT ufo did it

    • joe

      June 6, 2023 at 9:47 pm

      1000 % right,..Crash dummies aliens!??! all of todays technology is 50 + years OLD. TRUE.FACTS. the real aliens don’t want nothing do with earth. what we should be doing is explore space.get off this PRISON PLANET. our enemy is us. maybe intra demensional beings demons ARCHONS or satan .. OUR future lies with A.I. /// BUT the evil rulers plan a slave race they going too crash Stock markets/ cryptos bitcoins/ housing/ start wars . all for CONTROL. theres 50 million sex slaves today. at last count.?? the medias are slaves no more freedom of press Look Chuck Todd out,Tucker,Whoppie,Lemon, Alex jones etcetc.. and rig stolen elections world wide/ Fix Horse races/boxing /baseball.super bowels sports etcetc,,, religions worship sodomy pedophliie .. so the UFO aliens will be PROJECT BLUE/ or messiah fake Dajjal anti christ aliens ..

  3. joe

    June 7, 2023 at 9:48 am

    UFO ALIENS blew up the dam . Ukraines blew up the dam they were testing rocket attacks on it for months now. flooding Crimea a russian annex ,so the medias telling you russia blew up their own dam and flooded their territories …lying sack nikki haley & L Graham.evil shits..neo cons rhinos evil yo evil. man is a women double talk 1984 good is bad bad is good..UFO our friends ye Bulls–it lairs of the medias lies.LIKE communion book ART BELL would flush the toilet when whitney talk crap. distractions from CRYPTO crash,,

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